Covert operation to uncover the scammers behind the HD 8500 Optics and Kevlar Audio White Van Scam in Auckland

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UPDATE
Since posting this article we are receiving calls every other day of people buying this rubbish from the scammers. Calls from Wellington, Marton and just now 29 April from Takapuna. Why are people being so stupid and falling for their sales pitch. Maybe it is the Royal Wedding excitement. So let me repeat this.  No and I repeat NO Reputable Audio Visual Company in New Zealand or anywhere for that matter sells 3D Optics projectors, Kevlar Audio or any of the brands listed in this scam article AND WILL NEVER SELL IT TO YOU FROM A VAN, CAR PARK, SIDE OF THE ROAD

Furthermore none sell equipment out of the back of vans in car parks, garage service courts or in public places and try and catch you off your guard. Warehouses that sell Audio Visual equipment DO NOT and I say again DO NOT go making mistakes sending out stock. So wake up people you are being scammed for thousands of hard earned dollars with the same story over and over.  Also this scam gear is being sold on Trademe, EBAY. Believe this gear is complete rubbish.  On the whole the projector specifications they state are rubbish. The only true aspect is the native resolution which is so old no major brand of manufacture, Sony, Christie, Epson, BenQ even manufactures this resolution…in fact they stopped making projectors of this resolution about 15 years ago.

So if you have purchased the gear we have found their warehouse location should you want to go and get a refund. 35 Greenmount Drive East Tamaki, Auckland. Take someone with you should you visit there.

Do not believe the colour cataloq they will show you, it is printed in Hong Kong for the global market. The delivery documents they will show you showing delivery documents to commercial companies you might recognise and is all designed to make you ignore the inner warning signals that you will have saying warning warning..your gut feeling is telling you the truth.


A deal seemingly to good to be true should bring all the warning signs and start the alarm bells ringing, especially when the deal is out the back of a white van in a non descript location such as a petrol station or shopping centre car park.

Been a rather quiet though eventful day. Went out on a covert operation to engage with the white van scammers circling Auckland ripping off people in the White Van Scam with the HD8500 3D projector and Kevlar audio gear. You can read about the 3D projector scam over here.

Many people read of scams but never get to see them happening or they hear or read about urban legends of white van scams, well folks they are real and alive in a city near you. Here we report on a live actual covert operation right here in Auckland. No actors here just real scammers and “interested buyers”

We have been on the trail of these guys for sometime and today we had a covert operation to acquire further details and video of these scammers operating in Auckland.

Projector scam

Van load of fake scam AV gear

“They are touting the same story over and over, overstocked, warehouse made a mistake, the last time the warehouse did this we told the boss and he sold it off and never told the warehouse and pocketed it for himself. So we are not telling him now and just sell it to a lucky buyer and keep it to ourselves.” If you pop over to the link above you will see this scam is happening in Australia where a number of unfortunate Aussies ahve been scammed and have left details of their experience.

Today we met up with the guys selling the van load of scam audio visual over in West Auckland. We had been alerted and we set up a meet at a community hall with an interested buyer. At the scheduled time they had not turned up so we phoned them and they wanted to change the location to the Shell Petrol Station further down the road. They turned up and drove in as if to buy petrol in two Hi Ace Vans and one having 3 complete sets of gear that the warehouse had made a mistake on and they were now wanting to get rid of them for a bargain price.

Scam operator on the phone to a potential victim

Scam operator on the phone to a potential victim

 Here is the video of the covert meetup.

White Van scam female operator

Even if they sell one complete set a day for $1500 that is like $1300 profit or $6,500 per week or $195,000 per month or $2,340,000 per year - JUST FROM ONE VAN OPERATOR

So this is what we discovered after all the questioning….

– When pressed with the question they admitted they were the importers.
They said they had a office and show room at 188 Queen Street, Auckland, which is just next to Lippies. When we checked there was no show room.  Do you think these guys can afford a show room in NZ’s most expensive street .. Yeah Right. We had indicated that we wanted to hear it in action and they said if you do that the boss is going to charge you $6,000 because he does not know about this gear the warehouse oversupplied.
– I asked if they can take a credit card or eftpos and no it was only cash.
– They showed a very glossy genuine looking Entertainment Magazine that had a Hong Kong based adress inside the cover. The magazine covered alot of reviews of the range of 3D Optics and Kevlar Audio gear, plus reviews of brands such as BenQ, Sony etc. To my eye a glaring mistake was a small review of a BenQ projector but the text described it as a Mitsubishi model.  A tiny error but the quality is in the detail they say and English text mistakes are common in English publications out of Asia.  The equipment and models from the Kevlar and 3D Optics and associated range had pricing printed showing what purported to be retail pricing. The major well known brands also had pricing however I suspect these were there to make the 3D Optics and Kevlar gear look good value. When I indicated that I had never seen this magazine before , which almost bordered on their catalogue masqurading as a magazine I indicated that this must have been a international magazine, making the pricing even more expensive by the time it was changed to $NZ. They said it was a NZ magazine and they were NZ$. This alerted me to that this could be just the tip of an international scam and I had spotted the tip of the iceberg..see comment below. International Scam

Van Driver No 2

Would you trust this man?

– I asked if they sold all the other gear in the magazine and they indicated they did. However they had no interest in selling it to us. It included iPads, projectors that could take an iPhone, Panasonic Plasma and the like.
– I asked if they had another copy of the magazine and they said if they did not return this that the boss would fine then. What sort of boss fines the staff for distributing sales literature. This magazine would have had 1,000’s of copies printed to justify the copy quality.
– Van driver No2 was a Maori male of around 40 years old. Despite saying he was just helping out, did alot of the talking with regards to the tranasction and promised to give all his details such as drivers licence number, we could ring his phone to prove the number was his.
– Van driver no 1 (younger than 30yr solid build – big fella) in the orange shirt did most of the product talking. His female companion piped in when talking about the tranasction that they would write out the receipt for $6,000 for the full price even though we were going to be paying only $1,500.
– They showed us what was purported to be their courier delivery schedules where they had delivered gear. These could have been genuine or simply made up and they noted Jennian Homes Ltd, Golden Homes amongst others. We will check with these companies that they are purchasing AV gear of very shonky quality.

 

Scammer van details

White Van Scam vehicle selling the fake 3d Optics and Kevlar speakers

– When asked who was the company that was distributing the 3D Optics projector and Kevlar Audio and motorised screen that they worked for, they stated it was Compass Freight Forwarders.
– This company Compass Freight Forwarders is not listed in the Auckland Telephone book however we find this listing in the Companies Office records.

2320796
Incorporation Date: 10 Sep 2009
Company Status: Registered
Entity type: NZ Limited Company
Constitution filed: No
AR filing month: October , last filed on 04 Oct 2010
FRA Reporting Month: March
Company Addresses:Registered Office
L27 188 Quay Street, Auckland , New Zealand Address for service
Directors Showing 1 of 1 directors
Guan Ding WANG
Unit 6, 33 Alfred Street, North Melbourne, Victoria, 3051 , Australia

We will visit this office at level 27, 188 Quay Street and suspect it will be an accountants office or holding office and certainly not a busy office of a freight company. We might be wrong but I highly doubt it.

Now we find it interesting that they have only one director and he is based in Australia (nothing unusal in itself) which unwittingly or innocently gives us a possible link to the 3D Optics and Kevlar scam hitting cars parks throughout Australia. Given that he is also of Chinese background gives us a direct link back to China. Now the web site address on the 3D Optics box is http://www.optimax.com. Now when we check who owns this URL it has private registration to this ISP in the USA. We find this aspect simply another of those, “I smell a rat here” Check out what these folk have discovered in the USA

Interestingly the web site was registered just 6 days later.

Domain Name: OPTIMAX3D.COMCreated on…………..: 2009-09-15 23:12:21 GMT
Expires on…………..: 2011-09-15 23:12:23 GMT
Last modified on……..: 2010-09-17 10:03:24 GMT
Registrant Info: (FAST-12785240)
Bluehost.com
Bluehost Inc
1958 South 950 East
Provo, Utah 84604
United States
Phone: +1.8017659400
Fax..: +1.8017651992
Email: whois@bluehost.com
Last modified: 2010-12-06 18:43:32 GMT

Now we did further research of the registered company address of Compass Freight Forwarders sole shareholder and director Mr Guan Ding WANG, and the address of Unit 6, 33 Alfred Street…and guess what no such address exists, in fact there are only even numbers in Alfred Street.

scam gear in van

White Van Scams are alive and well ripping 100's of people of their hard earnt dollars

The only looser is a person called YOU. Do not let your guard down and be smooth talked into a scam that might just feed that need you have for a deal. Walk away.

Pertinent details. Neither van had sign writing of any description and both had dark tinted windows preventing eyes from glancing inside.

Van registration numbers – FLP535 – This fella was driving the deal and was accompanied by a woman in the 20-30 yr age group. Drivers cell phone 021 081 285 78

Second van Hi Ace TX6704 driven by his helper that also had a young boy and a male around 20 years old. He did most of the talking regards to the actual transaction. Towards the end of the meeting about 20minutes plus in duration he went and sat in his van.

I need you to see how bad the scam can get. Now watch this video uploaded by a guy who got scmmed in the USA. Now as you watch the video your brain is going to tell you something does not look right….and what you are thinking is right. the entire packaging is printed in reverse. Now you might say how stupid to see a box with incorrect printing ..bit like the rare stamp error. But wait a minute, I can bet you they would use a line, hey the factory stuffed up the printing, blah blah blah and have we got a deal for you….and you will fall for it easily.

This is the location of where they said their office and show room was at 188 Queen Street, Auckland.

3D Optics Office showroom

3D Optics Office showroom suppose to be at 188 Queen Street, Auckland

For those not familar with normal packaging of AV gear may not be aware, but to my knowledge and international experience AV companies like Sony, Yamaha, BenQ, NEC, Optoma etc all package their gear in non descripe brown boxes with plain black or blue text printing with serial number labels on removable adhesive labels. In my experience the only companies to package speakers, projectors and amps in full colourful boxes are major suspects. Again to fool you.

International Element
We have comments and evidience from buyers in the USA, New Zealand Australia of this scam. We suspect that an underground network exists to flog off this gear on unsuspecting buyers around the world and that there is a netork operating. The 3D Optics and Kevlar Audio gear filter onto sites like Trademe, eBay and others where either the scammers are selling the gear or unfortunate victims are simply wanting to off load their unfortunate purchase. Nobody prints the quality of magazine they had unless they are a sizeable company like Sony or Panasonic or a publisher like NZ’s resepctable AV mag Tone.

So in my estimation that since they have this quality mag, and I have seen 100’s of AV magazines in my years in this industry this one has all the trappings and to the untrained eye it seems legit except to experienced eyes.

InspectionWe have physically dismantled the projector and can verify it is a heap of junk and no where the quality that exists in projectors on the market from reputable companies like NEC, BenQ, Acer, Sony, Panasonic and the like. It is manufactured in China and has all the hall marks of low grade projectors using old technology. Don’t get me wrong, the Chinese based companies make state of the art gear for the world leading brands or the major brands base their production plants in China, it is the lower tier manufacturers who are bringing out low quality gear as they do not a=have access to the latest technology. We can actually source this low quality gear direct from the factories for less  than a $100 but would not bother as they lack any substantial quality. The 3D Optics projector is no way able to deliver a  high quality 3D – sterescopic image. The scammers noted that they do not sell the 3D glasses and suggested we go to the local cinema and keep the glasses they give you for a $1.

Now for the unfamilar these glasses used in the cinema use what we call 3D polarisation systems and what is projected are two separate images slightly overlapping and the polarised glasses realign the image for your eyes and your brain sees it as images with depth. For a single dataprojector to achieve this typically you would use the active glasses. The other aspect I noted on the box was the words in big colourful lettering is Light Emmitting Diodes….aka LED. This projector can not use an LED lamp and achieve 8000 ANSI lumen. No manufacturer in the world is delivering this and if they were, companies like Optoma, Sony, Epson, Samsung and others would be sure to be delivering. The bulk of 3D projectors on the world market are using the Texas Instrument DLP technology.

Here are some photos from our meetup.

White van scam with HD86500 projector

Scams are alive and well in petrol stations and car parks in Auckland. Van Rego TX6704

This video is a short review by a scammed victim and has posted this video on you tube.

Numerous online entries by others who have been approached and / or scammed will be posted here. http://www.121s.com/default.aspx?g=posts&source=recent&m=469769

These scams first started appearing about 15 years ago and it is only since the internet became what it is that information started to be shared widely on these scams. Now they are on sites like Trademe in NZ. Just doa  search on HD 8500 for example and they will pop up. Some people who know of the scam have indicated they have been banned from such sites for making negative seller comments. So it would seem Trademe is unwittingly allowing this fake product to be sold online.

Make sure you read this wikipedia link. Any donations for all the money we have saved you should be given direct to the Salvation Army Earthquake Appeal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_van_speaker_scam , it goes into more detail regarding this scam.

white van scammer vehicle

I am providing a list of the most common so called brands that are associated with these scams today.

* Theater Research (has many other names)
* Accusound (Not related to Accusound Australia nor the Accusound speakers made by Audiosphere in Canada)
* Acoustic Monitor, Acoustic Studio Monitor 3311/3312, Acoustic Response, Acoustic Image, Acoustic Lab Technology, Acoustic Reference
* Advanced Sound Technologies (AST)
* Afinity
* Ashton, Ashton Home Theater Systems
* Audio Resource
* Audio-Tech, Audio Tech Pro
* Audiofile
* BSS – Brendle Sound Systems (No relation to BSS Audio, part of the Harman Pro Group), also Brendel, BrendelElectronics
* Camelot Audio
* Carlson Audio
* Cerwin Vega (counterfeit)
* Cleo Acoustics (Singapore)
* Columbia Audio [
* Definitive Sound Technology (no relation to Definitive Technology)
* Denmark, Denmark Audio, Denmark Optics
* Deutsch Akustik
* Dogg Digital, Digital Dogg Audio
* DanWave, Dan Wave
* Dahlton
* Digital Pro Audio, Pro Audio, Digital Audio, Digital Audio Professional Speaker Systems, Digital Audio Skyline, Digital Research
* DiVinci
* Dynalab
* Elite Audio
* EKO
* Eurosound
* Epiphany Audio
* Fleetwood Audio (no relation to Cadillac Fleetwood)
* Genesis Media Labs, Genisis Media Labs (no relation to Genesis Technologies)
* Glatten Audio
* Grafdale
* Hauffman
* HD-8500 3D Optics
* Hy- line Sound Electronics
* I-Cinema
* Icon MediaLab, Icon Media Lab Digital FusionNo relation to LBi Ltd., the registered trademark owners of the Icon MediaLab name)
* Image Audio Concepts
* JBL (counterfeit)
* Jannsonn & Fynn
* Kauffman
* Kevlar
* Kinetic
* Kirsch, Kirsh
* Linear Acoustik
* Linear Phase
* London
* Matrix Audio
* Millennium Theater Systems (MTS)
* Norway Audio
* Olin Ross
* Omni Audio
* Oracle Projector
* Optimax 3D HD-8500 (3D Optics 8500)
* Orix
* Palermo
* Paradyme (no relation to Paradigm)
* Paramax Audio
* Proline Acoustic
* Pro-Optics
* Protechnik
* Protecsound (PTS)
* PSD
* PurTone
* Pure Acoustics
* RDX
* Rothdale
* Samaurai
* Skyline
* Sutherland Technology (no relation to Sutherland Engineering)
* Theater Logic
* Theater Research, Theatre Research, Theater Innovations
* VAV
* VisionMax
* Vokl Audio
* Volk Audio (also has a projector branch known as Volk Cinema

If you need to purchase a projector and audio system we can help you with fully warranted models that can be guarranteed, that is sold from our show room in NZ from a well known local and international company that has a deep level of expertise. We don’t do “deals” or underhand techniques and stand by all that we sell and advise you.

Contact us on 09-414 2348 if you require assistance.

If you have been approached about this scam please leave your comments and a note of your experience below. The more people out their talking about the 3D Optics and Kevlar scam or any of the above names will help to eliminate these scum bags.

If you found this posting helpful please let us know below in the comments section. Please keep comments on topic. Many thanks.

Before you go here is another switch on the White Van Scam

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52 Responses

  1. hey two listings on trademe, these scammers must think people are stupid… wait they are when they buy this crap without doing research

    http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=360872502

    http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=360733821

    • Hi Josh, many people are sadly either stupid, caught off guard, take a risk, do not know better. Even so these guys only need to sell one a day and they are creaming in $700 profit per day for sitting around in Shell petrol stations or shopping mall carparks to catch the unwary. They are defrauding people which is a criminal act, plus breaking the fair trading act as the goods are no where like the specs they claim. We are not apposed to enterprising people making a living, but we will fight for honest business transactions, fraudlent specifications and defrauding people of their hard earnt cash. Everyone deserves a fair deal. In Russia they would eventually get a bullet thru their brain or find their van burnt out.

  2. Hey Josh,
    The first listing is from a Victim of this fraud who thought he got a good deal and listed on trademe to make some profit. 😛 He has withdrawn the listing once he found out about this scam.
    The second listing with Zero trademe history + no reserve auction is ofcourse fishy. And there are stupid people wanting 3 of those units from him. LOL.

  3. I think we bought a fake one like above and are now selling it on trademe for $400 bucks. is it still a working entertainment system I assumed it was and I assumed it was a good deal for that?

  4. Regarding the scammed guy in the USA, the writing on the box is reversed but so is the writing on his shirt, I think the video has been mirrored is all.

  5. I purchased one of these projectors for $800. I suspected it could be a scam but decided to take the risk. The name of the person i bought it from is Jake Furmage (i checked his license), and his mobile is 02102216602. The vehicle registration was DGR385

    • Guys what is it with you. You will never any where in the solar system find genuine 7000 ansi lumen projector being sold for $800, does not matter what planet you live on. It is impossible no matter who you know and whether your mother works in the factory. $800 does get you a very good quality entry level projector with full warranty, after sales support from a walk in office, from a major brand manufacture, not some made up cheap poor quality projector that is a fraction of its specification. You will never get quality from some scum bag like Jake Furmage who loiters around car parks like a child molester waiting to find a unfortunate victim to scam $800 off fro a junk 3D Optics projector. He should be selling these on April Fools day as he makes the perfect candiate. ..lets call it from now on Jakes Fool Day

  6. I purchased one of these projectors last week for $800. The scammers drove up to me in Mt Wellington. While i was suspicious i decided to take the risk and buy one. The name of the seller is Jake Furmage (i checked his licence), his mobile no is 02102216602, vehicle reg was DGR. I very much hope I run into him again.

    • Andy, For $800 you could have bought a real good entry level projector ,,, bugger why did you fall for this scum bag! the projector you bought if one could put a comparative quality $ value of is about $50. They come out of the Chinese factory for about $100. Someone in NZ has bought a volume of these, probably a container load and he is making a HUGE PROFIT. Like enough to buy a house. We suspect it is all under the table cash. Did you get a receipt. If so please scan it and send to us at iceavtech@gmail.com

      • I know nothing about projectors, and wasn’t looking at buying one. I dont know why i decided to buy it, maybe because i was hungry at wasn’t thinking clearly haha..and like i said, i knew it was a risk but i decide to take it. Originally they(there was a indian driver)wanted over a thousand but i refused. Still, obviously the $800 would of been better spent elsewhere. Yes i have a receipt (if you could call it that, the guy writes like a monkey). I’ll try to scan it for you. I’m still trying to find the guy, have found him on facebook but unable to find a address. The mobile is his as i phoned him twice. If you have any suggestions i’d be grateful to hear them. Andy

    • goto 35 greenmount dr east tamaki about 9 am or 4-5pm it is opposite icelandic 32 there is a red fence on corner you can drive right on in you might even see all the vans there i did

  7. I followed one of the vans and know where the warehouse is it is 35 Greenmount dr East Tamaki sth auckland there is a big red fence on corner of driveway
    i did a drive by the place is full of home theater systems

  8. These guys ask if i wanted to buy a 50inch 3D led tvs an projectors, when i googled the branded i realized there was a scam happening, they were in east auckland this happend today be aware this is a scam an they are dodgy as!

  9. this guy approached me today at the g.i. mobil, same van same everything, cunt would have got my money if i didnt check the models on the net first.

  10. his number is 02108101981

  11. Hi – I swore one advertised on Tradme before and it was promptly removed. Why are al these information collected not already passed on to the Police?

  12. Hi

    Unforunately I purchased one of the Optimax Projectors and Kevlar Audio systems from a white van. I am from Australia. What has been described in relation to method of sale applies to me. White van drive by, overstocked delivery order, and selling cheap so boss would not keep it for himself as he did so for a microwave that the driver had returned as overstock delievery. So I was scammed, now have to try and sell the stuff off, for much cheaper than i purchased it.

  13. Just ran into this scam at a gas station in California, United States.

  14. I have just been scammed at Malvern East, Melbourne Australia. Kevlar KA 3000 Home Theatre Series.
    There is a first time for everything!!!! My gut said to walk away!!!! They were persistant !!!!! Watch out for the White Van in Melbourne.

  15. i too have just been scammed…. would NEVER normally buy off someone like that and am always skeptical of this sort of thing but some how they got me… bugger. might see how it goes anyway or try sell it off cheap to get some sort of money back for it…. was the kevlar audio 3500 system with tower speakers and digital amp etc. if you want registration details and that i can give them too and also they must have rented the van so i have the details of the rental van they had too… oh and im in perth W.A

    • i too got scammed at belmont shopping car park a Moari guy & a Asian guy that i could taken down with a blink of a eye !!!! whats the plates number, i tell you if i catch them again i myself will RANSACK there shit and be off !!!!
      Tyson whats your Email??

    • I got scammed in perth yesterday myself with the same product as u, i would very much like that rego number if u have it……these 2 guys aged mid 20s shortish hair, medium build and height. white van

    • Just got scammed today in Ongerup WA they same asian and Maori guy, the scum. Phone number they gave was 0469405965 from IEAV Distributors. Had full on consignment notices and all. Paid $500 for projectoor HD800 hdmi cord and 100 inch screen.They asked for $1500 I had a feeling they weren’t legit. as they said they were from Albany as am I but mentioned they had no phone reception in Ongerup because they were with Optus, whichalso doesnt work in Albany, Might ask em to come back and sell me the speakers that go with it and arrange the local police to be waiting. You reckon it will work? If all is lost do the machines have problems?

      • Hi Kelly
        The projector is a load is F&%$k S8&^%^t. They cost about $50 out of the chinese factory.
        They use very old technology…actually almost identical to a OHP in the classroom. They are NOT 3D,
        NOT LED lamp technology, NOT High brightness, NOT High Resolution. These guys are fly by nighters
        and part of a global scam Know as the White Van Scam … do a search on YouTube.
        That phone number does not seem legit. Did you record the van plate number…
        You have falling victim of the “buyer beware”, nevertheless it is fraudulent and as they are a company you are
        covered by the Consumer Guarrantee Act (at least in NZ). The Police might come along to deal to these thieves…
        though Inland Revenue would be more interested as you can bet your bottom dollar they are not declaring true income if any.

  16. Was approached by a blue van this time in Pak Plaza 18/06/2011, same crap stories, i said I would rather buy from someone with warrenty and a branded product. The scammer pulled out his magazine and showed me the pricing etc lol. i walked away…….

  17. Ha was approached by a guy in Whangarei to part swap for a car today. Dont know weather he is a scammer or was caught out and is trying to of load it

  18. i have too been victim of this scam and my projector was the hd 3d 8500 with pull down screen and affinity speaker system. i was told its worth was around 9,000+ for how ever i didn’t pay that i only paid $350. to $400 cant remember as-well as showing me a receipt of product and id to match it , however the projector worked not great but it did work after me dealing with it for quite so time and then one day the whole plastic outer casing melted, no i mean really melted surprised it didn’t catch a fire. speaker are still working, they are a little decent not close to what the specs list for them, don’t buy! How is it possible for the false advertisement not be against the law,moreover how can the internet police commission control and our local governments and its adjoining affiliates continue to allow this to go on be it via internet or on the corners of our streets. this is truly against the law and these scammers should be arrested on the spot and their warehouses raided. Government please stop the crime.

  19. Yeah I got taken in Knoxville about two or three months ago. Gave 700 for the whole deal and I thought man oh man my lucky day but boy was I wrong. Is there anyway of going after these companies. Or finding these cons. I don’t want my money back I want to beat it out of him.

    • The projector is a load is F&%$k S8&^%^t as you have found out. If you have there contact details tell him you are having a problem connecting it and can they swing buy to help, or you meet them somewhere …in there office. Did you record the van plate number…
      You have fallen victim of the “buyer beware”, nevertheless it is fraudulent and as they are a company you are
      covered by the Consumer Guarrantee Act (at least in NZ).

  20. They are in Mount Maunagnui, Got done today.. Ausy guy and a indian, bailed me up just as i jumped out of my truck. very good at what they do, paid 600 for speakers home theatre. came home and googled kevlaraudio and this came up.. haha. speakers are ok. not worth what they say. never gona buy shit out of a van….

    • I got done in Katikati, BOP, NZ. Im going to auckland today to their east tamaki address to return this shit. will let u know how i go!

  21. I’m a kiwi but got done three days ago in Campbellfield, Melbourne. Same story as the rest of you. Felt fishy right from the very beginning, bought a home theater system for $650. I took their number plate down as they were leaving. I googled the brand and found out it was a scam maybe 2 minutes after they left..felt like a right dickhead, I’m the tightest guy you will meet and some how they even got the money out of me. wankers.

  22. Hi there, looks like they still like to sell on TradeMe : http://www.trademe.co.nz/electronics-photography/projectors-screens/projectors/auction-439172670.htm

    Or it is someone trying to get their pennies back after being done.

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  24. We been scammed too unfortunately. We might be the first few people they scammed last year because i did check kevlar online and there was a site about the system. The same story as mentioned above, overstocked need to get rid of them at a cheaper price and blah blah…they were convincing and persistent…they sound and look genuine because they had uniforms on and a signage white van. Paid our system for 1000nz dollars 😦 whats the new update with these scumbags?

  25. I got had in Belmont shopping center, perth, two days ago but unfortunately he didn’t bargain on me going looking for him and lo an behold he was back there the next day! I called the police and they grabbed him for me and held him till I got there! Unfortunately the police couldn’t do anything in this instance but they dd however get my money back by ‘reasoning’ with the Victorian, who went straight to the ATM! I had some choice words for him, and I was lucky to get the money back! I took his photo on my iPhone and also called channels 7 and 9 who were very interested but couldn’t get a crew to the police station within the hour so the guy, who told me he’d been doing this for 10 years and been picked up by the police a few times, left with the fraudulent gear he had sold me! Lucky escape for me getting my money back, but I have passed around his photo to sone friends of mine that are quite keen to talk to him! If it’s too good to be true…. It probably is!

  26. My son and his friend were taken for $500 at the SunTrust bank parking lot on Signal Mountain just outside Chattanooga Tn. yesterday. They were in a white SUV.

  27. I got ripped off at a Shell station in Grand Rapids, MI by a guy named Vito Montenegro, I gave him a almost $400. in cash and now he is denying that I gave it to him and is threatening to sue me for cancelling an additional payment when I found out that this was a scam and that the projector was a piece of junk, by some company called Bernelli. Seething at myself for being taken like this. The box does not even have a serial # and the company is non-existent. These guys were slick, clean cut and friendly. I spoke with some local media and they said to call them if he does because they will be there cameras rolling. I know it was stupid of me to fall for this but I am posting this in hopes that others will learn from my foolishness.

  28. Hi mates, the scam is still alive and well and booming in the states. I broke up a scam at work the other day where our manager was being harangued by two salespeople near our back entrance in the parking lot. Of course they were pissed and much flipping of the bird ensued by our manager got away with her ourse intact. These sleazes are all over our Craigslist peddling the speakers listed in the article (plus newer brands to replace discredited older scam brands, newscam brands = Diamond, Spectrum, Nexis, Madrid) plus pathetic imitations of projectors by such “famous” brands as Palladium, Volare, Optavision, Visionmax, Napali, Xtreme, iMedia, iCinema, Paramount, etc.

  29. Hi mates, the scam is still alive and well and booming in the states. I broke up a scam at work the other day where our manager was being harangued by two salespeople near our back entrance in the parking lot. Of course they were pissed and much flipping of the bird ensued but our manager got away with her purse intact. These sleazes are all over our Craigslist peddling the speakers listed in the article (plus newer brands to replace discredited older scam brands, newscam brands = Diamond, Spectrum, Nexis, Madrid) plus pathetic imitations of projectors by such “famous” brands as Palladium, Volare, Optavision, Visionmax, Napali, Xtreme, iMedia, iCinema, Paramount, etc.
    Mods, this post corrects typos in my first attempt

  30. Hi Josh, got done big time in Perth Australia. It’s amazing how identical, how l got done got done over. 2 kiwi boys in white Van, at the back of Electrical store in Perth. They said they were returning the equipment because the purchaser hadn’t paid, but l could buy for ??? price. I bought Matrix projector, surround sound system + for A$2000. Do you know if you replace lamp, it will be better, any suggestions. Feel like biggest idiot in Perth.

    • Hi Dave

      I got done in Perth also at Whitfords shops. The Rego of the van was 1czk 938. I rang around to car rental places and the third one was Ace Rent A Car on Albany HWY and they told me straight out it was their van. They also admited straight up that they were fully aware of what their vans were being used for. THe lady tried to tell me that she aquired some speakers and that the were great, then in the next sentance said her son in-law had been ripped off. All sounded very strange. Anybodies guess what is going on there. She assured me that she would have her client ring me. I have rang them several times and have heard nothing. Still thinking of the next best thing to do. Im not ready to give up yet. For now I shall spread the word and hope to bump into these guys in my travels. Let me know if you would like further details.

  31. The gears been popping up all over TRADEME since the beginning of 2013. I love the fact that the Referred websites all have the same errors and structure but still the fools buy in. I do enjoy Trolling them on the specs though I it sounds to good. JUST DON’T BUY IT WALK AWAY

  32. Sorry I know this is an old post but I’ve been looking at one of these 3D optics projectors on trademe, how can I tell if it is a genuine thing or a fake? Is there such a brand as 3D optics or are they all fake?

    Thanks

    • They are all fakes. Stick with know brands or at the least, purchase from recognised companies in the audio visual industry whose office you can walk into …. not ones who deal out of white vans in and only have mobile phone numbers or deal thru on line web sites…otherwise you will get burnt.

      • As above just google the name the seller is likely to have been scammed and just trying to get some money back. This is the same sort of thing (Trademe number 617331411)but at least the seller is realistic on price vs value or even look on alibaba. Best option is known brands or traceable reliable suppliers (even used /ex display). good luck having a projector is big screen heaven 🙂

  33. I hardly leave a response, however i did some searching
    and wound up here Covert operation to uncover the scammers behind the HD 8500 Optics and Kevlar
    Audio White Van Scam in Auckland | Audio Visual Technology.

    And I do have a couple of questions for you if it’s allright.
    Is it only me or does it give the impression like some of these remarks look as if they are written by brain dead individuals?

    😛 And, if you are posting on additional online sites, I would like to follow anything fresh you have to post.
    Would you make a list of the complete urls of all your social pages like your twitter
    feed, Facebook page or linkedin profile?

  34. have heard about this. am watching a ‘Kevlar Audio’ auction on Trade Me. have even bid on it ($100, only one so far, lol), and have a sneaky feeling someone is gonna jack the price up on the auction… watch this space

  35. What’s up, just wanted to mention, I loved this article.

    It was inspiring. Keep on posting!

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